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the factor begins right now. >> hi i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. we have a special talking points edition of the factor for you. we begin with a question. what is the biggest problem facing america today? >> on paper the biggest problem is the national debt. approaching $70 trillion with no end in sight. and the failure of the pinheads in washington to deal with that debt. if the massive borrowing continues the u.s. economy could very well collapse. but, in reality, not on paper, in reality the biggest problem the nation has is the folks, us. our mentality. it changing after america and the allies defeated nazis in world war ii

millions returned home to start families and careers. the prevailing wisdom was simple. work hard, respect your country, provide a good education for your kids. the u.s.a. was not a fair society back then as blacks and other minorities were still denied equal rights but most americans viewed their country as noble, having defeated the evil in berlin and tokyo. now, my parents were among the majority of americans who felt this way. my father worked hard for modest pay. was honest. didn't want anything from the government. didn't get drunk or take drugs. he didn't gutierrez take any guff from me and provided a blue pen for success by paying for private school education. my parents didn't coddle me, insisted i work for my money by cutting lawns andid not care at all whether i liked it or not. the nuns, demanded that i learn math, english and history. the brothers at the high school gave me three hours of homework a night. nobody mentioned welfare

programs i worked hard, played sports. not depending on daddy or mommy for anybody else. i made my own way and here i am. today we have a far different society in america. one where the president of the united states, who sets the tone believes his country is not a fair place also believes that his mandate is to change the capitalistic system to so that washington, d.c. can provide. millions of americans are buying in. if you don't succeed on your own, don't worry about it not your fault. and checks will be sent to help you out. and that philosophy zaps personal motivation and creates a mind set of victimization. if the president believes the deck is stacked in favor of the rich folks, then what chance do i have add to that mind set the rise of the machines where you and i can straight create our own

little worlds spend most of our leisure time playing games or texting about trivia or writing vicious or anonymous emails. we don't even have to leave the house. we can live an entirely made up world but, of course, we do have to leave the house. that's when the trouble begins. what is society doing to encourage achievement these days? nothing at all. if you are prosperous, you are a bad person the biggest problem this country has is the way we, the people, are now behaving. and that's the memo. now for the top story tonight. three other points of view on this. first up from boston former senator from massachusetts, a brand new fox news contributor scott brown. so, senator, what is the biggest problem facing america in your opinion? he think it's a combination of things as you referenced in the intree, jobs national

security, energy, which actually makes it so individuals and businesses are uncertainty as to what the tax policy is and what the regulatory policy is. they are kind of standing idol. then you throw in the amazing amount of debt that we have and deficit that we have tremendous amount of gridlock, tremendous amount of indecision, that's contributing to the negative impressions that people have about our leadership and about people that are trying to solve those very real problems. >> yes, the problem is that our government is riding us into bankruptcy, but we the people are allowing it. why? >> well, let me just reference that. listen, bill, as you referenced your upbringing my mom and dad were married and divorced four times each. i lived in 17 houses. my mom was on welfare for a period of time. it was there as a safety net not as entitlement. there are people in massachusetts and throughout this great country who care very deeply about which

direction we are going. in and i'm one of them. >> let me give you this stat. massachusetts has a 540-million-dollar budget short fall this year. okay? massachusetts owes $17 billion. that's never going to be able to pay it back. ever. massachusetts has 131 democrats in the state house. 29 republicans. okay? >> yeah. >> so massachusetts basically, not everybody, of course we know that but massachusetts en masse, pardon the pun, has said we are buying into the big spending government nanny state that's being presented to us i want to know why. it's a one party system. >> why? you have got -- look, you have, what, 6 million people in massachusetts? >> 6.4 million. 4.6 million voters. >> 4.6 million people. most of them in the boston

area. >> rubber stamped. >> educated group. all right. it's a largely uneducated state. it's a sophisticated state with a long, glorious history. yet, the majority of people in the state of massachusetts said we want this irresponsible spending we want a one party system. why? >> i wish i could answer that for you bill. >> all right. it is a mystery of the universe. it's our fault that barack obama is creating or trying to create a nanny state. we gave them another term. when we had an alternative. go ahead, last word. >> well, thank you, in massachusetts, people are starting to wake up and i think throughout the country, too. because they are looking at their paychecks and they are dwindling. the amount of money in their pockets is going away. >> they're going to dwindle more. next on the rundown, herman cain will get the same question. what's america's

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popularity than getting results. >> why is he popular though, mr. cain? , i mean, the guy has really not solved many problems. i mean, that's what it comes down to. >> 51% of the voters were mislead enough to vote for him. keep in mind, not everybody. remember, he got 51% of the popular vote. when you say all of america. no. >> you know what i'm talking about. >> 51% of the people. i know what you are talking about. >> the majority. >> the majority sets the tone on the direction of the country yes, we have a severe ignorance problem but the people not looking at the facts. >> first, you define what you say is the biggest problem or perhaps the other guest as well. >> well, i think the biggest problem is a long range

problem. since the 1970s we have not been able to grow incomes in this country. between the end of world war ii and 1973 and 197 a, everybody in america got a pretty consistent raise. since around 1975 or so, until now, there is basically not been a raise for 65, 70% of people in the country. we just having a very very hard time figuring out how to deal with this. right now too many people unemployed for a long period of time. tragedy of reverse order see what we can do about this. in my opinion probably still in a recession. technically we are out of the recession but still in a very difficult time in terms of unemployment. as a result of the housing crisis. most people lost 40% of their wealth and obviously african-americans have been hit very hard with this. there is no doubt about that. but, you know, on the upside, he we are starting to come out of it. the economic numbers are looking better. healthcare costs are starting to flatten.

look like a chance to have abundant clean source of income coming on line. no? >> what is the solution to the wages? the obama administration wants to control the private economy, marketplace, right? we are doing a lot of things to make the marketplace response stible to washington, not to competition. so, is that the right way to go? or do you allow the free marketplace to take it where it wants to take it? >> well, first of all, i think we have a pretty vibrant free market in this country. second, let's not cut social security. let's not cut unemployment compensation. let's not cut these kind of things which are keeping people on medicare and keeping people to the extent that they can stay in the middle class, these are the kind of things dependent on. >> nobody is talking about cutting medicare or social security. >> sure they are talking about it the president himself has even said that he is open to cuts in medicare. >> the only cuts in medicare would come for people who are wealthy. over a certain threshold. so, let's not propagandize the issue.

let's get back to the vision that president obama has as compared to your former boss, bill clinton. clinton had a fiscally irresponsible. he didn't attempt to micromanage the private sector. and he had a couple of economic bumps in the road. whereas president obama is the biggest spending president in the history by far. and much more of a i don't care much about the debt whereas clinton kind of did or am i wrong? >> first of all when president clinton took office the economy was starting to grow. when president obama took office the congress was shrinking all time rare. god to be fair i any that some of -- both of them raised taxes on wealthy. both of them tried to deal with healthcare. obama much to my chagrin was more successful than president clinton was.

so, both signed free trade agreements which a lot of people dispute whether that helped or hurt. >> you don't see a big difference between the two. >> not so much. i see a difference in them in terms of like style. i think president clinton is a much more outgoing guy than president obama. >> i'm talking about economic philosophy. i'm firmly convinced that president obama wants to create a western european style nanny state. i didn't see that with clinton. >> i agree with you on that. i do believe he believes in aggressive government doing a downturn and a lot of other people do. >> plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this morning. what went wrong this year for the obama administration. >> do you believe the president is fixing problems? do you believe people are being held accountability?

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>> getting to the bottom of it that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. as you may know, president obama always looks very concerned when things go wrong in his administration. whether it be fast and fewer use, the irs, benghazi, obamacare, he pledges to get to the bottom of it. >> i can tell you that if you have got the irs operating in anything less than a neutral and nonpartisan way, then that is outrageous, it is contrary to our traditions. and people have to be held accountable and it's got to be fixed. >> when it comes to this issue. when i say that we're going to find out exactly what happened, everybody will be held accountable. >> we assigned a inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued confirming that, in fact, eric holder did not know he about, this that heprompt actioe people who did initiate this

were held accountable. >> nobody is madder than me about the fact that the web site isn't working ag as well as it should, which means it's going to get fixed. >> so let me ask you, the intelligent american citizen a question. do you believe the president is fixing problems? do you believe people are being held accountable? talking points does not. why did hundreds of guns go to mexico and why did attorney general holder not know about it? he didn't know about the ill conceived under cover program? we don't know why he didn't know. who is responsible for the lack security in libya? what was discussed at the white house meeting the day before the american ambassador was murdered? we don't know. who in the white house was involved with the irs on unfairly scrutinize conservatives? we don't know. who exactly in the obama administration failed to properly supervise the rollout of obamacare? again, talking points does

not know. now, maybe i'm dim, unable to see how federal people who make mistakes are being held accountable. maybe my staff missed it. maybe i simply do not understand what getting to the bottom of things really is or maybe i understand too well. that the white house will not own up to the obamacare chaos or anything else. >> is secretary sebelius the responsible party? is she the quarterback for these mistakes? i understand contractors made mistakes but ultimately is the hhs secretary responsible? is the president responsible? who in this administration is responsible. >> the president spoke very clearly from the rose garden that he about the fact that is he wholly unsatisfied. >> but is he responsible? >> this is -- this is -- i have said this is on us. and that goes from the the president on down. >> not enough, jay. not enough. we, the people, need to know exactly how the government

could screw this up badly when almost a billion dollars or more i think it was more than a billion dollars spent. department of secretary and commerce held a hearing on accountability about the obamacare rollout as we all know close to a billion dollars in taxpayer investment the computers don't work and the rollout is a disaster? >> how county administration punish innocent americans by forcing them to buy from a system that does not work and whose rollout has been nothing short of a disaster? if we want this law to make right, we have got to fix it, not what the republicans have been trying to do knicks it and repeal it. >> so when speaker pelosi then said we have got to pass the bill before we know what's in it, we are finding out. we're finding out flawed tech system that's a mockery. >> once again here we have my republican colleagues trying to scare everybody. >> will the gentleman yield?

>> no, i will not yield to this morningy court or whatever this thing is. >> this is not a monkey court. >> by the way monkeys all over the world are horrified they are being dragged into this debate. it is clear president obama well understands that he can say a whole bunch of stuff but doesn't really have to act on any of it while confrontational people like me, for example, burn when things go wrong from obama is much more passive about incompetence. he seems unwilling to demand standards of performance. you know why he gets away with it? because many americans, perhaps most, really don't care how their country is being run. the only time they do pay attention is when they are directly affected. american guns flowing into mexico doesn't really effect them. neither does the assassination of four americans in libya. neither do illegal actions by the irs. but on obamacare the story might be different. because, millions of americans are having their health insurance cancelled and millions of us will have to pay a lot more in order to protect our health. once that dawns on the

folks, maybe, maybe mr. obama will take action. no one is going to be held accountable and nothing revealed. the obama administration simply floats above it all and it generally hapless media does not demand answers. and when on the rare occasion it does, the a could you seed of being unfair, ideological or just plane dumb. there comes a point in history when people get what they deserve. president obama was elected twice. even though most problems besetting the country, including the soft economy have not improved. the president was not elected on performance. he was elected on personality and apathy. low information voters who don't know anything and really couldn't care less about their country broke heavily for the president. why? because they like him. sea likeable guy. and ironically, those voters are now being held accountable as obamacare descends into chaos.

that's the memo. next on the rundown, the former governor of new mexico, an ardent democrat will tell me if i'm being unfair. >> i always think you tell it like it is, bill, you are an honest guy. there is a

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products. three dozen homes are still off limits z it's hoped those families will be able to return home tomorrow. i'm marianne rafferty. now, back to "the o'reilly factor". continuing now with lead story gettg to the bottom of problems in the u.s. joining us from los angeles to react to my talking points memo the former governor of new mexico bill richardson the author of the new book "how to sweet talk a shark." so, governor, let's pretend that i'm the shark. am i being unfair to the president? >> well, i always think you tell it like it is, bill. you are an honest guy there is a little tad unfairness first on the irs issue, heads did roll. on the benghazi issue, there were demotions and heads did roll there, too. there was an investigation by ambassador pickerring that looked at the security problems. there were problems.

there were funding problems too from the congress. on the issue of the president and obamacare, look, obamacare, i believe, is good for this country, it's good for people, but, there has been some serious problems in the rollout. i do think the president needs. >> outside of lois lerner, who was paid for about six months after she wouldn't testify in front of congress about what happened, outside of lois lerner, who in the irs has been held accountable for all of this stuff? who? >> well, but the president has brought in some new policy. >> i'm a simple man. you know i'm a simple man. you watch the factor. who beside lois lerner? who? >> i live in new mexico. i don't follow all the news. >> you live in new mexico and we don't know who beside lois lerner and she was just retired. she is going to get a pension and everything else. in benghazi, there was a meeting, the day before, september 10th, all right,

2012, a meeting about security and benghazi and libya came up. what was discussed in that meeting? who was in there? do you know? >> well, i do know, bill. that there was an christian by -- admission by this pickerring report. >> we know about the meeting. president was in the meeting top national security guy brennan was in there. that's all we know. we have asked the president to tell us about that meeting and what was discussed. you don't know what was in the meeting and i don't know. right? >> well. no. >> all right. okay. >> bill, some national security standards. >> we don't know who in the irs beside lois lerner did this and we don't know what was that meeting. that was an important meeting because the next day four americans are dead. let's go to fast and furious. the attorney general of the united states doesn't know thousands of guns are going from arizona. you are a border state guy from arizona to mexico he doesn't know? is that conceivable to you? >> yes. >> it is. >> i was a cabinet

secretary. i don't know if you will recall. >> i was never a cabinet secretary. >> security problems. i'm telling you that. >> i'm taking your word. >> you don't know everything. >> you are right. but that's not everything. that's a lot of guns. that's thousands of guns. a lot of guns. who was held accountable for that? who was held accountable for that? >> well, i think that the attorney general fixed the problem. >> but who was held accountable for all the guns that disappeared? who? >> well, it was a big problem. there is no question about it. >> so we don't know who was held accountable for that now, let's go to obamacare. a billion dollars, three and a half years and a billion dollars. a lot of money, right? you could use that money in new mexico and do a lot of good things with that, all right? a billion dollars. and it's going to all these companies, all right? they are getting lots of money and they are getting paid and working, working working. and then october 1st rolls around and we will roll it out and nothing works. who should be held accountable for that? who? >> okay.

first, the president had a press conference where he freely admitted the problems. >> so should he resign? should mr. obama resign? >> of course not. of course not. this is a good law. but it's got to be fixed. he has got to have a. >> isn't three and a half years a lot of time and a billion dollars a lot of money to get it going? isn't that -- >> -- they should have got their act together. the white house staff has to send expertise, tiger team. >> a tiger team? >> rapidly as much -- yeah, tiger team is in a bureaucracy, bill, when you have a problem, you send experts. you send massive personnel to get it fixed. >> all right. >> and it should be held accountable. some of those contractors, too. >> but the boss operation, sebelius, shouldn't be held accountable because she screwed it up. it seems to me that if you come in last place, in the national league, you get fired as a manager. all right? if you win three games in the national football league, you get fired.

but, kathleen sebelius is in charge of this rollout. it's a disaster. but she doesn't get fired? i don't understand. i don't get it. >> no, but, bill, look, obamacare, i believe is, good for this country. more people are insured, costs go down. we should focus on that. but, yes, yes. they have to fix this rollout problem. they have got to fix it it i'm with you on that. >> thank you, governor, we appreciate you coming on tonight. >> directly ahead, were we as a nation better off in the 1950s than we are today? the 1950s than we are today? a powerful hi honey, did you get e toaster cozy? yep. got all the cozies. [ grandma ] with n fedex one rate, i could ll a box and ship it r one flat rate. so i kn untilt was full. you'd be crazy not to. is tt nana? [ male announcer ] fedex one rate. simple, flat rate shipping with the reliability of fedex.

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generation. one of the leading iconic members of the mickey mouse club. >>ne anete. >> we are the mouseketeers. he say hello.ur >> about 50 years after the mickey mouse club debuted, it is still etched deeply in the memories of manys americans. the question tonight though this: were we back in the 1950s and early 1960's a better country, a betterter people than we are today? there is no question that for minorities americans, things were generally awful back then. if you don't believe me, m read my book killing kennedy where i document that in vivid detail. on the civil rights issue, america is much improved today. on the economic realm the unemployment rate a%. even though the drop out rate was 27% very high. only 7% of americans do notve complete highrt school. poverty rate

you can see that americanse have more income today but the big ticket items likeems homes take a lot more money. mon on social issues, in 1959 only 5% of american babies5% are born out of wedlock. 5%. abortion very rare. today?bout about 41%, that's a shocking turn of events. in the 1950s, drug use was rare. although the alcoholism rate was about the same as it is today. another interesting category?inno innocence, in the 50s andl 60's premarital sex and explicit behavior even in the my i can't was kept kind of quiet as anete funicello demonstrated social interaction was blanket♪ ♪ boy and a a girl ♪ that's the game for me and you now yeah let's give it aha

whirl ♪ beacht'th blanket bingo. >> never got wet. now, dumb, no question. but the 50s were wholesome, especially by today's sta anything goes standards. american baby boomers tendei to glorify their youth we all know that even the temperature belent late '60s and early '70s. there was a different attitude after world war ii. white american was unified. standards of behavior were very similar. that unification made itade easier for society to for function. there was respect forcs teachers, for cops, for clerics. now that is gone. the mantra today being where's mine? that's the memo. now for the top story s tonight. reaction, with us a barack and hard place duo monica cawley and alan colmes wholf was himself a mouseketeer.>> >> i didn't i wear my hat a today, i'm sorry. t >> so, you say?t ma

>> it's hard to come up with exact metrics. i knew you were going to have some about how do you deal with a general theory t things were just better back then? >> i didn't say they werett better did.did i say anywhere in my talking points memo they were better? >> are you notre suggesting things are better? >> i don't suggest, i say, let's take it one by one. a% out-of-wet lock birthrt compared to 41. >> i don't know that a% was an accurate number because i don't think people told the truth back then about that stuff. people were not upfront. >> we are going by the u.s. government. >> let's assume it was a. >> what i'm trying to say isng people are were not talking about that kind of stuff. people would not say. colmes, just b.s., okay? it's just b.s. the let's stop the bs right now. that's the government number. let's deal with it 5%?ter 41%, what's the better thing? >> well, obviously 5% is better but you are not listening to my point that and people did it.th they swept it under the rug. >> i don't want any bs. >> that's not bs.b.s. >> you don't know who was you sweeping.

you don't know anything. >> people are more open about those kind of things now. >> you are either born in a marital situation or you are not. what do you say?ithe >> we have been talking about time frames here.at d i would point to the mid to late 1960's when you had two major things happen. number one, economically, you had linden johnson with the great society.ith you had the development of the massive welfare state. and the massive government spending thatnt goes along with it. >> didn't that have ton't happen? >> that is the culture of dependency. >> didn't it have to happen?de >> no it didn't have to happen. barry goldwaterld arguing the other way. >> when barry got his butt kicked big time in the election, if you suddenlyou say to millions of african-americans and other minoritiesth going to let you hl citizenship, all right, after decades of deprivation, you don't think the government has a responsibility to develop social programs to help those people? >> that was part of how it was sold, bill but that wasn't the total intent. >> bill: i will say the same

thing to you i said to colmes, do you not think the federal government had a responsibility to people who are down trodden for decades to send some money to help them? >> sure, of course. but as with every government project, it's never limited to what its stated intent is, bill. rug backourse. economy was wobbly and cut taxes to stimulate it. react to this stat. the population increased from 1959 to now by 59%. workers on disability, americans workers on disability has increased 640%. more injuries today, colmes? are there more injuries today than there were in 1959? >> i don't know why that number would exist. >> bill: stay in. >> come on, this goes back to our original point here. whether you have that government went through the great society. reagan did his best to try to reign that in. barack obama turns it around and puts it on steroids. the incentive is to go away from the self-sufficient society based on individual freedom to one that is -- >> bill: i think people just conning.

640%. >> this didn't start with barack obama what you are talking about. welfare, the welfare program in this country was geared toward building incentives so that women would have more and more children out of wedlock because they would get more money. >> women have children just to get more money from the government? you are kidding me. >> bill: i have got to go. let me be clear because colmes thinks i'm suggesting. i'm not saying that the 1950s and 1960's are better than today i'm saying we are a different country. the reason we are a different country is that people are no coming up, the obama administration and accountability. talking points and reaction. >> she is the one who put those regulations in place in june of 2010 that effectively eliminated the grandfathering, the president was so. >> she is the ceo. >> she is the ceo. >> she did you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up-

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president capitulates, that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. speaking at the white house, mr. obama once again said that the computer problems and other chaos surrounding obamacare are his responsibility. >> that's on me. i mean, we fumbled the rollout on this healthcare law. we always knew that these marketplaces creating a place where people can shop and through competition get a better deal for the health insurance that their families need, we always knew that was going to be complicated. >> okay. but you if you always knew, why didn't you tell we, the people, who had no idea. instead, the introduction of obamacare was sold for 3.5 years as a magnificent imposed government program with little downside. that's why many folks are

curious. while the president continued to praise the overall law as being good for most americans, he did address that overselling. >> with respect to the pledge i made that if you like your plan you can keep it, i think, keep it. i think -- and i've said in interviews that there is no doubt that the way i put that forward unequivocally ended up not being accurate. it was not because of my intention not to deliver on that commitment and that promise. we put a grandfather clause into the law. but it was insufficient. >> true. but for weeks that was not acknowledged by you, mr. president. and only when powerful senators in your own party began introducing legislation to deal with health insurance programs did you respond. so in order to stop that legislation cold, the president

is now saying this. >> insurance can extend current plans that would otherwise be canceled into 2014, and americans whose plans have been canceled can choose to re-enroll in the same kind of plan. >> that of course will cause even more chaos. let me see a show of hands. how many of you believe re-enrolling in a canceled health insurance plan will be a fun adventure? anyone? bueller? going forward, mr. obama is anticipating even more problems. that was evident when he said this. >> i've said from the beginning i'm willing to work with democrats and republicans to fix problems as they arise. this is an example of what i was talking about. we can always make this law work better. i will not accept proposals that are just another brazen attempt to undermine an appeal of the overall law and drag us back into a broken system. >> now, that was a signal to republicans that the president will veto any attempt to repeal obama care. no matter what happens, no

matter how many problems develop, true believers in the affordable health care law like the president will stand by it. well, the old adage is careful what you wish for. all the king's horses and all the king's men might not be able to put obama care back together again. that's because it goes against free market principles. but more importantly, more importantly, it depends on an efficient government bureaucracy to implement it. and in this country there is not nor has there ever been an efficient government bureaucracy. summing up, we can expect the president and his supporters to compromise on some small things but not the overall obama care program, which they will defend forever. to admit it's not good for the country would be to admit that big government is not good. therefore, liberalism is not good. and that's what this is all about. and that's the memo. next on the rundown, the very controversial megyn kelly will be here. [ male announcer ] introducing new fast acting advil.

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this was not an environment which was hospitable to setting up the exchanges. >> i know. >> you and your colleagues were constantly criticizing, trying to underfund it and trying to make sure it didn't work. >> a lot of that criticism proved true, unfortunately. >> it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. we're going to try to do everything we can to make it fail and then when it fails we're going to say oh, why did it fail? >> i don't -- well, i don't think fox news had anything to do with the rollout of healthcare.gov. as far as i know we didn't touch that website. >> you were constantly attacking the law and you were trying to make it -- >> i'll give you that one too. it was all our fault. >> well, sheer she is again. the very famous megyn kelly. how on earth could fox news underfund anything? >> somehow there was a way.

and somehow we messed up healthcare.gov too. >> but dr. emanuel, who is a brother of rahm emanuel and ari emanuel, who's the head of william morris, he says that we underfunded it. and i'm going -- >> i don't even know what -- he was sort of going off the rails at that point. but this is my takeaway from that particular section of the interview, was this is one of the cheap aief architects of thw and rather than coming out and just coming clean, this is how it went down there, was obfuscation at every turn, and then ultimately the old blame someone else trick. >> fox. >> including fox. i mean, how is it fox news's fault? you would think -- i mean the recent poll that just came out that said fox news is actually the number one most trusted source when it comes to information on the health care law. in the face of that he wants to turn around and say to the world it's all fox news's fault. >> but i told you why in the talking points, which i'm sure you'll trump it. >> i listened. >> because it's not about obama care. it's about liberalism in general. if it doesn't work here, this is

its signature deal. but this doctor, he can, to be fair to him, he didn't have anything to do with the rollout of the computer or anything like that. >> he didn't -- >> he's a big picture let's give health care to everybody guy. that's what he is. >> that's right. and can i tell you that he did say in the interview he does believe they should have appointed a ceo to oversee health care and they didn't do it. and not only -- >> yes, they did. kathleen sebelius. >> ceo. >> sure she is. >> it's basically the medicare people who are running this. got the title and that's it. they didn't have an executive bill. from the president on down they didn't have a ceo of a major piece of legislation that was remaking 1/6 of the u.s. economy. and let me just tell you, a guy named david cutler who was a co-architect of obama care, told them. he wrote them a written letter in may of 2010 saying you don't have the team in place to execute this, it's going to fail. >> you know how the government works, correct? the government works by departments. everything in the bureaucracy is headed by a department. all right? so the treasury department handles this. the justice department handles that. the defense handles this.

health and human services handle obama care. because that's health. right? the ceo is kathleen sebelius. >> that's -- >> no, stop -- >> president obama would know she doesn't know anything about building a within website. why didn't he find someone who does? >> that's the key. so sebelius is the ceo. she was in place. she couldn't do the job. to this day she has no clue about any of this. however -- >> can i tell you something about her? >> -- she's still there. >> yes. that's right. >> with no assistance coming in to sort all this out. >> and let me just make another point about ms. sebelius. she of course knew nothing about websites, and that was completely bungled. but more than that, she is the one who put those regulations in place in june of 2010 that effectively eliminatedgra grandfathering was so -- she did it. and for the democrats to come out and say it wasn't their fault, it's all on me because i

did say they could keep their plans if they wanted to and they believed my promise is not true. because sebelius passed those regulations on her own in june of 2010. republican mike enzi went to the senate floor and said listen. this is going to gut the whole grandfather -- and every democrat voted against hum. >> you know i'm right pretty much all the time. >> so you tell me. >> and you've modeled yourself after me to some extent. kathleen sebelius and president obama i will submit to you never had a conversation about anything. >> yeah. >> would you submit that that's -- >> it certainly seems that way. >> president obama didn't read the law. he doesn't have anybody in the white house that's going to tell him anything contrary. all his guys are like martin van buren to andrew jackson. that's right, general. you're a genius, general. okay. okay. old kinderherd. that's how ok came into the english language. old kinderherd. because everything he said andrew jackson went yes, yes,er,

that's what's going on. when president obama said i didn't know this and i didn't know that -- he thought it. again, thanks for watching us tonight. i am bill o'reilly. please always remember that the definitely looking out for you. welcome to a "kelly file" special report. a salute to our nation's gratest generation. in october 2013 a remarkable event took place on washington's national mall. the park service had barricaded the open air world war ii memorial in a move they blamed on the partial government shutdown. the reaction from our vets, their families, and supporters was swift, and it was angry. in the time it took to find some bolt cutters we were suddenly seeing pictures of defiant soldiers, many on canes or in wheelchairs, crossing those barricades with the kind of determination that reminded many in america again of the